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		<title>Comment on Comments for Bible: Messiah replaces animal sacrifice? by insertlamenickname</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-bible-messiah-replaces-animal-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>insertlamenickname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops... Christians believe that the animal sacrifices were all a symbol of Jesus, and that the faith in the animal sacrifice was faith in the promise of Jesus. Therefore it was the promise, not the animal slaughter that was to last forever. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2573&#039;,&#039;insertlamenickname&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2573&#039;,&#039;insertlamenickname&#039;,&#039;Oops... Christians believe that the animal sacrifices were all a symbol of Jesus, and that the faith in the animal sacrifice was faith in the promise of Jesus. Therefore it was the promise, not the animal slaughter that was to last forever. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230; Christians believe that the animal sacrifices were all a symbol of Jesus, and that the faith in the animal sacrifice was faith in the promise of Jesus. Therefore it was the promise, not the animal slaughter that was to last forever.
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		<title>Comment on The atheist vs the Christian theologian by Timothy</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/09/the-atheist-vs-the-christian-theologian/comment-page-1/#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you&#039;re assuming the main point of religion is belief in a divine being?  Funny, we adherents don&#039;t regard that as particularly important. It&#039;s part of a sociological group to which we belong, for most people one they were born into. I could think of far more concrete, current reasons, e.g., to renounce my citizenship (not to speak of national mythology into which I don&#039;t buy and past atrocities committed by the government which I disdain). But I think I&#039;ll keep my citizenship--after all, it&#039;s part of who I am and I actually like many aspects of it. I think I&#039;ll maintain my religious affiliation too for the same reasons. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2528&#039;,&#039;Timothy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2528&#039;,&#039;Timothy&#039;,&#039;So, you&#039;re assuming the main point of religion is belief in a divine being?  Funny, we adherents don&#039;t regard that as particularly important. It&#039;s part of a sociological group to which we belong, for most people one they were born into. I could think of far more concrete, current reasons, e.g., to renounce my citizenship (not to speak of national mythology into which I don&#039;t buy and past atrocities committed by the government which I disdain). But I think I&#039;ll keep my citizenship--after all, it&#039;s part of who I am and I actually like many aspects of it. I think I&#039;ll maintain my religious affiliation too for the same reasons. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#039;re assuming the main point of religion is belief in a divine being?  Funny, we adherents don&#039;t regard that as particularly important. It&#039;s part of a sociological group to which we belong, for most people one they were born into. I could think of far more concrete, current reasons, e.g., to renounce my citizenship (not to speak of national mythology into which I don&#039;t buy and past atrocities committed by the government which I disdain). But I think I&#039;ll keep my citizenship&#8211;after all, it&#039;s part of who I am and I actually like many aspects of it. I think I&#039;ll maintain my religious affiliation too for the same reasons.
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		<title>Comment on Conversational Atheist creates a YouTube video by James Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thumbs up. The stick figure on the right - talk about having unlimited patience with the dolt on the left.  &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2527&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2527&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;,&#039;Thumbs up. The stick figure on the right - talk about having unlimited patience with the dolt on the left.  &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thumbs up. The stick figure on the right &#8211; talk about having unlimited patience with the dolt on the left.
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		<title>Comment on Conversational Atheist creates a YouTube video by Chris R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thumbs up, for sure. The style is simplistic, but the video&#039;s entertainment value more than makes up for it. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2525&#039;,&#039;Chris R&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2525&#039;,&#039;Chris R&#039;,&#039;Thumbs up, for sure. The style is simplistic, but the video&#039;s entertainment value more than makes up for it. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thumbs up, for sure. The style is simplistic, but the video&#039;s entertainment value more than makes up for it.
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		<title>Comment on Death to those that translate the Quran (without including the original Arabic) by ConverseAtheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConverseAtheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap! The css got messed up... thanks for pointing this out, I&#039;ll fix it.  &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2476&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2476&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;,&#039;Crap! The css got messed up... thanks for pointing this out, I&#039;ll fix it.  &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap! The css got messed up&#8230; thanks for pointing this out, I&#039;ll fix it.
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		<title>Comment on Death to those that translate the Quran (without including the original Arabic) by no thanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>no thanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sentences Only Need To Be Capitalized Once. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2474&#039;,&#039;no thanks&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2474&#039;,&#039;no thanks&#039;,&#039;Sentences Only Need To Be Capitalized Once. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sentences Only Need To Be Capitalized Once.
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		<title>Comment on Comments for Mohammad: Sex with 9 year old by Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I created an Atheist / rational thinker store, mostly out of anger and frustration at the general public&#039;s stupidity and/or apathy about just these kinds of things.  Check it out if you like... I keep all of the prices as low as is possible through zazzle in order to get as much out there as I can and help spread the word that we&#8217;re not going to take this shit anymore. :-)  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*&lt;/a&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2444&#039;,&#039;Brian&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2444&#039;,&#039;Brian&#039;,&#039;I created an Atheist \/ rational thinker store, mostly out of anger and frustration at the general public&#039;s stupidity and\/or apathy about just these kinds of things.  Check it out if you like... I keep all of the prices as low as is possible through zazzle in order to get as much out there as I can and help spread the word that we&rsquo;re not going to take this shit anymore. :-)  \n&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.zazzle.com\/briman232*\&quot; target=\&quot;_blank\&quot;&gt;http:\/\/www.zazzle.com\/briman232*&lt;\/a&gt; &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I created an Atheist / rational thinker store, mostly out of anger and frustration at the general public&#039;s stupidity and/or apathy about just these kinds of things.  Check it out if you like&#8230; I keep all of the prices as low as is possible through zazzle in order to get as much out there as I can and help spread the word that we&rsquo;re not going to take this shit anymore. :-)<br />
<a href="http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/briman232" rel="nofollow">http://www.zazzle.com/briman232</a>*
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		<title>Comment on Comments for &#8220;Why Engage in Religious Debates?&#8221; by Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ConverseAtheist; 
 
Greetings from MenAfterGod.com.  
From what I have read in your blog it would seem you are a fellow who enjoys a good debate and is prepared to do so as a gentleman. As you have guessed I am a man of faith, (Christian to be exact). Non-denominational for those that must have a classification, although as I tell my church friends, &#8220;Excluding others automatically puts you in a separate class, which by Christian terms denotes denomination.&#8221;   
 
Some have called me a saint and some would call me an ass for the debates I engage on religion. But I&#8217;m just a cigar smoking redneck that wants people to believe in their faith &amp; have faith in what they believe in. I challenge atheist and mostly Christians to defend what they believe in. And I believe a civil debate prepares those engaged to re-examine their proof and thus strengthen their belief.  
 
Your blog appears to attract a mature crowd of atheist which is what I seek. I get tried of  always having to inform &#8220;wannabes&#8221;  of their lack of knowledge and misconception of faith. Example: the blogger who speaks atheism but calls himself &#8220;Son of Satan&#8221;. Hmm, no god, no satan, dah. Another example: the newbie Christians that get into atheist blogs and end up using the phrase, &#8220;it&#8217;s true because I feel it inside.&#8221; Ahh, that just probably is last night&#8217;s pizza honey. 
 
Well enough, see soon, 
Glen 
 &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2421&#039;,&#039;Glen&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2421&#039;,&#039;Glen&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist; \n \nGreetings from MenAfterGod.com.  \nFrom what I have read in your blog it would seem you are a fellow who enjoys a good debate and is prepared to do so as a gentleman. As you have guessed I am a man of faith, (Christian to be exact). Non-denominational for those that must have a classification, although as I tell my church friends, &ldquo;Excluding others automatically puts you in a separate class, which by Christian terms denotes denomination.&rdquo;   \n \nSome have called me a saint and some would call me an ass for the debates I engage on religion. But I&rsquo;m just a cigar smoking redneck that wants people to believe in their faith &amp; have faith in what they believe in. I challenge atheist and mostly Christians to defend what they believe in. And I believe a civil debate prepares those engaged to re-examine their proof and thus strengthen their belief.  \n \nYour blog appears to attract a mature crowd of atheist which is what I seek. I get tried of  always having to inform &ldquo;wannabes&rdquo;  of their lack of knowledge and misconception of faith. Example: the blogger who speaks atheism but calls himself &ldquo;Son of Satan&rdquo;. Hmm, no god, no satan, dah. Another example: the newbie Christians that get into atheist blogs and end up using the phrase, &ldquo;it&rsquo;s true because I feel it inside.&rdquo; Ahh, that just probably is last night&rsquo;s pizza honey. \n \nWell enough, see soon, \nGlen \n &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ConverseAtheist; </p>
<p>Greetings from MenAfterGod.com.<br />
From what I have read in your blog it would seem you are a fellow who enjoys a good debate and is prepared to do so as a gentleman. As you have guessed I am a man of faith, (Christian to be exact). Non-denominational for those that must have a classification, although as I tell my church friends, &ldquo;Excluding others automatically puts you in a separate class, which by Christian terms denotes denomination.&rdquo;   </p>
<p>Some have called me a saint and some would call me an ass for the debates I engage on religion. But I&rsquo;m just a cigar smoking redneck that wants people to believe in their faith &amp; have faith in what they believe in. I challenge atheist and mostly Christians to defend what they believe in. And I believe a civil debate prepares those engaged to re-examine their proof and thus strengthen their belief.  </p>
<p>Your blog appears to attract a mature crowd of atheist which is what I seek. I get tried of  always having to inform &ldquo;wannabes&rdquo;  of their lack of knowledge and misconception of faith. Example: the blogger who speaks atheism but calls himself &ldquo;Son of Satan&rdquo;. Hmm, no god, no satan, dah. Another example: the newbie Christians that get into atheist blogs and end up using the phrase, &ldquo;it&rsquo;s true because I feel it inside.&rdquo; Ahh, that just probably is last night&rsquo;s pizza honey. </p>
<p>Well enough, see soon,<br />
Glen </p>
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		<title>Comment on The atheist vs the Christian theologian by Uruk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uruk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m please to know that the idea eternal punishment irks you. I applaud you for this. I think that&#039;s a very good thing that people will question that aspect of religions that teach or imply such things. I grew up fundamentalist and believe my loved ones who didn&#039;t believe as I did when to eternal punishment. Hard to live with, indeed! Also, hard to stand against eternal punishment in religious circles such as fundamentalist Christianity.  
 
As for our universe evolving out of substances that had no first cause-- no reputable scientist says that. The cause of the big bang is simply an unknown. But something caused it. They level of mystery is no different from the mystery of  God existing as a first cause without beginning, end, or explanation. 
 
The big bang is not that crazy of an idea-- even if it is wrong. You just have to understand a small amount of the science that points to that idea. The big bang may not be what started our universe, but the idea is a worthwhile one to consider. 
 
The sun releases it&#039;s tremendous amount of energy due to fusion. Hydrogen atoms are fused into heavier elements. This process causes the atoms to release a tremendous amount of energy (E=mc^2 is at work here). The light and heat from the sun comes because elements are being created right there in the sun. 
 
Massive amounts of energy converts into mass when it cools. So imagine a release of energy infinitesimally larger than our sun. If our sun can create all the elements in the periodic table just through nuclear fusion, then a massive release of energy can create the building blocks of atoms. 
 
If such an explosion happened, the radiation from it would still be present today. And back in the 1960&#039;s, Bell Labs was doing an experiment with satellites. They ran into a lot of static interference and couldn&#039;t explain why. At the same time, scientists were exploring the beginnings of the big band hypothesis. When they heard about what Bell Labs was dealing with, they investigated. That background static is the radiation left over from a large release of energy-- just like what they figured the &quot;big bang&quot; would cause. The scientists predicted the background radiation-- the guys at Bell Labs accidentally found it independently. All scientists involved-- including those at Bell Labs-- received a Nobel Prize in physics. 
 
So, something exploded billions of years ago. I will admit however, why and how it happened is still a great mystery.  &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2410&#039;,&#039;Uruk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2410&#039;,&#039;Uruk&#039;,&#039;I&#039;m please to know that the idea eternal punishment irks you. I applaud you for this. I think that&#039;s a very good thing that people will question that aspect of religions that teach or imply such things. I grew up fundamentalist and believe my loved ones who didn&#039;t believe as I did when to eternal punishment. Hard to live with, indeed! Also, hard to stand against eternal punishment in religious circles such as fundamentalist Christianity.  \n \nAs for our universe evolving out of substances that had no first cause-- no reputable scientist says that. The cause of the big bang is simply an unknown. But something caused it. They level of mystery is no different from the mystery of  God existing as a first cause without beginning, end, or explanation. \n \nThe big bang is not that crazy of an idea-- even if it is wrong. You just have to understand a small amount of the science that points to that idea. The big bang may not be what started our universe, but the idea is a worthwhile one to consider. \n \nThe sun releases it&#039;s tremendous amount of energy due to fusion. Hydrogen atoms are fused into heavier elements. This process causes the atoms to release a tremendous amount of energy (E=mc^2 is at work here). The light and heat from the sun comes because elements are being created right there in the sun. \n \nMassive amounts of energy converts into mass when it cools. So imagine a release of energy infinitesimally larger than our sun. If our sun can create all the elements in the periodic table just through nuclear fusion, then a massive release of energy can create the building blocks of atoms. \n \nIf such an explosion happened, the radiation from it would still be present today. And back in the 1960&#039;s, Bell Labs was doing an experiment with satellites. They ran into a lot of static interference and couldn&#039;t explain why. At the same time, scientists were exploring the beginnings of the big band hypothesis. When they heard about what Bell Labs was dealing with, they investigated. That background static is the radiation left over from a large release of energy-- just like what they figured the &quot;big bang&quot; would cause. The scientists predicted the background radiation-- the guys at Bell Labs accidentally found it independently. All scientists involved-- including those at Bell Labs-- received a Nobel Prize in physics. \n \nSo, something exploded billions of years ago. I will admit however, why and how it happened is still a great mystery.  &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m please to know that the idea eternal punishment irks you. I applaud you for this. I think that&#039;s a very good thing that people will question that aspect of religions that teach or imply such things. I grew up fundamentalist and believe my loved ones who didn&#039;t believe as I did when to eternal punishment. Hard to live with, indeed! Also, hard to stand against eternal punishment in religious circles such as fundamentalist Christianity.  </p>
<p>As for our universe evolving out of substances that had no first cause&#8211; no reputable scientist says that. The cause of the big bang is simply an unknown. But something caused it. They level of mystery is no different from the mystery of  God existing as a first cause without beginning, end, or explanation. </p>
<p>The big bang is not that crazy of an idea&#8211; even if it is wrong. You just have to understand a small amount of the science that points to that idea. The big bang may not be what started our universe, but the idea is a worthwhile one to consider. </p>
<p>The sun releases it&#039;s tremendous amount of energy due to fusion. Hydrogen atoms are fused into heavier elements. This process causes the atoms to release a tremendous amount of energy (E=mc^2 is at work here). The light and heat from the sun comes because elements are being created right there in the sun. </p>
<p>Massive amounts of energy converts into mass when it cools. So imagine a release of energy infinitesimally larger than our sun. If our sun can create all the elements in the periodic table just through nuclear fusion, then a massive release of energy can create the building blocks of atoms. </p>
<p>If such an explosion happened, the radiation from it would still be present today. And back in the 1960&#039;s, Bell Labs was doing an experiment with satellites. They ran into a lot of static interference and couldn&#039;t explain why. At the same time, scientists were exploring the beginnings of the big band hypothesis. When they heard about what Bell Labs was dealing with, they investigated. That background static is the radiation left over from a large release of energy&#8211; just like what they figured the &quot;big bang&quot; would cause. The scientists predicted the background radiation&#8211; the guys at Bell Labs accidentally found it independently. All scientists involved&#8211; including those at Bell Labs&#8211; received a Nobel Prize in physics. </p>
<p>So, something exploded billions of years ago. I will admit however, why and how it happened is still a great mystery.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2410','Uruk'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2410','Uruk','I&amp;#039;m please to know that the idea eternal punishment irks you. I applaud you for this. I think that&amp;#039;s a very good thing that people will question that aspect of religions that teach or imply such things. I grew up fundamentalist and believe my loved ones who didn&amp;#039;t believe as I did when to eternal punishment. Hard to live with, indeed! Also, hard to stand against eternal punishment in religious circles such as fundamentalist Christianity.  \n \nAs for our universe evolving out of substances that had no first cause-- no reputable scientist says that. The cause of the big bang is simply an unknown. But something caused it. They level of mystery is no different from the mystery of  God existing as a first cause without beginning, end, or explanation. \n \nThe big bang is not that crazy of an idea-- even if it is wrong. You just have to understand a small amount of the science that points to that idea. The big bang may not be what started our universe, but the idea is a worthwhile one to consider. \n \nThe sun releases it&amp;#039;s tremendous amount of energy due to fusion. Hydrogen atoms are fused into heavier elements. This process causes the atoms to release a tremendous amount of energy (E=mc^2 is at work here). The light and heat from the sun comes because elements are being created right there in the sun. \n \nMassive amounts of energy converts into mass when it cools. So imagine a release of energy infinitesimally larger than our sun. If our sun can create all the elements in the periodic table just through nuclear fusion, then a massive release of energy can create the building blocks of atoms. \n \nIf such an explosion happened, the radiation from it would still be present today. And back in the 1960&amp;#039;s, Bell Labs was doing an experiment with satellites. They ran into a lot of static interference and couldn&amp;#039;t explain why. At the same time, scientists were exploring the beginnings of the big band hypothesis. When they heard about what Bell Labs was dealing with, they investigated. That background static is the radiation left over from a large release of energy-- just like what they figured the &amp;quot;big bang&amp;quot; would cause. The scientists predicted the background radiation-- the guys at Bell Labs accidentally found it independently. All scientists involved-- including those at Bell Labs-- received a Nobel Prize in physics. \n \nSo, something exploded billions of years ago. I will admit however, why and how it happened is still a great mystery.  '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>Comment on The atheist vs the Christian theologian by Rodger Tutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodger Tutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is infinitely more difficult for me to be atheistic when I am asked to believe that Creation, with all of its awesome intricacies supposedly just evolved out of substances that had no first cause, than it is to believe that an intelligent Creator (i.e. Jesus Christ) started it all. (1Corinthians 8:6 &amp; Ephesians 3:9) 
 
My problem has never been, &#8220;Is there a God?&#8221; 
My problem has always been, &#8220;What is He like?&#8221; 
 
I think one of the primary causes of atheism is Christianity&#8217;s doctrine of everlasting suffering for everyone who dies without becoming a Christian. I would rather live out my life as an agnostic, and try to treat everyone the same way that I would like to be treated by them, and hope for the best in the next life, than try to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. 
 
That is why I am glad there is evidence that God is not like that, e.g. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html&lt;/a&gt;   
 &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;2401&#039;,&#039;Rodger Tutt&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;2401&#039;,&#039;Rodger Tutt&#039;,&#039;It is infinitely more difficult for me to be atheistic when I am asked to believe that Creation, with all of its awesome intricacies supposedly just evolved out of substances that had no first cause, than it is to believe that an intelligent Creator (i.e. Jesus Christ) started it all. (1Corinthians 8:6 &amp; Ephesians 3:9) \n \nMy problem has never been, &ldquo;Is there a God?&rdquo; \nMy problem has always been, &ldquo;What is He like?&rdquo; \n \nI think one of the primary causes of atheism is Christianity&rsquo;s doctrine of everlasting suffering for everyone who dies without becoming a Christian. I would rather live out my life as an agnostic, and try to treat everyone the same way that I would like to be treated by them, and hope for the best in the next life, than try to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. \n \nThat is why I am glad there is evidence that God is not like that, e.g. \n&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.godfire.net\/eby\/circularity.html\&quot; target=\&quot;_blank\&quot;&gt;http:\/\/www.godfire.net\/eby\/circularity.html&lt;\/a&gt;   \n &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is infinitely more difficult for me to be atheistic when I am asked to believe that Creation, with all of its awesome intricacies supposedly just evolved out of substances that had no first cause, than it is to believe that an intelligent Creator (i.e. Jesus Christ) started it all. (1<a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Corinthians+8%3A6&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" class="bibleref" title="NRSV Corinthians 8:6">Corinthians 8:6</a> &amp; <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ephesians+3%3A9&amp;vnum=yes&amp;version=nrsv" class="bibleref" title="NRSV Ephesians 3:9">Ephesians 3:9</a>) </p>
<p>My problem has never been, &ldquo;Is there a God?&rdquo;<br />
My problem has always been, &ldquo;What is He like?&rdquo; </p>
<p>I think one of the primary causes of atheism is Christianity&rsquo;s doctrine of everlasting suffering for everyone who dies without becoming a Christian. I would rather live out my life as an agnostic, and try to treat everyone the same way that I would like to be treated by them, and hope for the best in the next life, than try to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. </p>
<p>That is why I am glad there is evidence that God is not like that, e.g.<br />
<a href="http://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html" target="_blank">http://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html</a>   </p>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('2401','Rodger Tutt'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('2401','Rodger Tutt','It is infinitely more difficult for me to be atheistic when I am asked to believe that Creation, with all of its awesome intricacies supposedly just evolved out of substances that had no first cause, than it is to believe that an intelligent Creator (i.e. Jesus Christ) started it all. (1Corinthians 8:6 &amp;amp; Ephesians 3:9) \n \nMy problem has never been, &amp;ldquo;Is there a God?&amp;rdquo; \nMy problem has always been, &amp;ldquo;What is He like?&amp;rdquo; \n \nI think one of the primary causes of atheism is Christianity&amp;rsquo;s doctrine of everlasting suffering for everyone who dies without becoming a Christian. I would rather live out my life as an agnostic, and try to treat everyone the same way that I would like to be treated by them, and hope for the best in the next life, than try to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. \n \nThat is why I am glad there is evidence that God is not like that, e.g. \n&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.godfire.net\/eby\/circularity.html\&quot; target=\&quot;_blank\&quot;&gt;http:\/\/www.godfire.net\/eby\/circularity.html&lt;\/a&gt;   \n '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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