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slaves were to be respected, not looked down upon, and respected. If they were struck, it was for punishment and the owner was to be punished if the slave was killed.
*This slave thing seems to sound like an NBA contract,a team or a maid really, (agreement, following orders)
Also, about the institution, he may have meant that accept every institution that has a justified system punishing those who do wrong.
I am amazed at how well you word your arguments. They have certainly helped me to argue well and convincingly with believers. Bravo.
Your work helps us introduce reason to the religiously indoctrinated. I believe it is every strong atheists duty to spread reason in an evangelical manner and your arguments make the job so much easier. I have used your techniques to de-brainwash my mother and the day she admitted she had been fooled by preachers and popular opinion was one of the most gratifying moments of my life. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
This argument might work in conversations with american evangelican christians, but will not work in conversations with most german christians. They say that god directly creates a feeling for good and evil in people. They also say, that the opinion of god defines what is good and what is evil, and this opinion can change over time. Therefore, what may have been good or bad back then, does not have to be good or bad now.
And I'd be certain to ask: How do you know that you are following God and not Satan? Especially when, as you admit, God regulates and allows slavery (among other atrocities).
Many Christians apologists on various websites try to falsify history by claiming that slavery in the 1st century Roman/ Palestine era was more like being a butler or maid than the reality of African American slavery of the South or slaves of other rascist ideologies and/ or innumerable wars. Therefore, according to them, the Bible is teaching you to accept being Jeeves or Hazel with dignity and perform your duties faithfully.
Nice try.
Research and well documented historical evidence tells otherwise. In this Biblical screwball pitch on history, we would have seen Alice on the Brady Bunch beaten with a rod for not making those delicious pies she always came up with!
blackbart1721, I've heard this a number of times, too. The thing is, when the Bible talks about the Israelites being captive in Egypt, apologists make it sound like slavery, but when the Bible (including Jesus) mentions slavery, then they act like it's just a butler or something, like you said. I think using Alice from the Brady Bunch is a good image, using specific examples (even if fictional) can drive home a point, I'll have to think of this next time it comes up.
For the Lord’s sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.
Hmm does that mean USA's existence it itself against god and christian principles? As it did not submit to authoritys…
Wrong….wrong….wrong…wrong. So many things misunderstood and taken out of context.
Try this for a much more accurate review of slavery in general and what the Bible actually says about it. One great mistake is assuming any mention of 'slavery' involves on the modern conception of it and reading that in. Like assuming that slavery is purely a 'white on black' institution, or that whites went to Africa and 'took' slaves rather than bought them from other black Africans who had already enslaved them as war captives. Far from the truth…as this is.
Great post.
Very nice resource you’ve put together here. A worthy bookmark!
slaves were to be respected, not looked down upon, and respected. If they were struck, it was for punishment and the owner was to be punished if the slave was killed.
*This slave thing seems to sound like an NBA contract,a team or a maid really, (agreement, following orders)
Also, about the institution, he may have meant that accept every institution that has a justified system punishing those who do wrong.
Look at if from another point of view.
That's a joke right?
I am amazed at how well you word your arguments. They have certainly helped me to argue well and convincingly with believers. Bravo.
Your work helps us introduce reason to the religiously indoctrinated. I believe it is every strong atheists duty to spread reason in an evangelical manner and your arguments make the job so much easier. I have used your techniques to de-brainwash my mother and the day she admitted she had been fooled by preachers and popular opinion was one of the most gratifying moments of my life. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
This argument might work in conversations with american evangelican christians, but will not work in conversations with most german christians. They say that god directly creates a feeling for good and evil in people. They also say, that the opinion of god defines what is good and what is evil, and this opinion can change over time. Therefore, what may have been good or bad back then, does not have to be good or bad now.
I'd probably start responding along these lines in this argument: http://conversationalatheist.com/challenges/respo...
And I'd be certain to ask: How do you know that you are following God and not Satan? Especially when, as you admit, God regulates and allows slavery (among other atrocities).
Many Christians apologists on various websites try to falsify history by claiming that slavery in the 1st century Roman/ Palestine era was more like being a butler or maid than the reality of African American slavery of the South or slaves of other rascist ideologies and/ or innumerable wars. Therefore, according to them, the Bible is teaching you to accept being Jeeves or Hazel with dignity and perform your duties faithfully.
Nice try.
Research and well documented historical evidence tells otherwise. In this Biblical screwball pitch on history, we would have seen Alice on the Brady Bunch beaten with a rod for not making those delicious pies she always came up with!
Great article and pocket version, too.
blackbart1721, I've heard this a number of times, too. The thing is, when the Bible talks about the Israelites being captive in Egypt, apologists make it sound like slavery, but when the Bible (including Jesus) mentions slavery, then they act like it's just a butler or something, like you said. I think using Alice from the Brady Bunch is a good image, using specific examples (even if fictional) can drive home a point, I'll have to think of this next time it comes up.
1 Peter 2:13-14 (NRSV)
For the Lord’s sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.
Hmm does that mean USA's existence it itself against god and christian principles? As it did not submit to authoritys…
Wrong….wrong….wrong…wrong. So many things misunderstood and taken out of context.
Try this for a much more accurate review of slavery in general and what the Bible actually says about it. One great mistake is assuming any mention of 'slavery' involves on the modern conception of it and reading that in. Like assuming that slavery is purely a 'white on black' institution, or that whites went to Africa and 'took' slaves rather than bought them from other black Africans who had already enslaved them as war captives. Far from the truth…as this is.
Have humans used 'religion' to promote evil? Absolutely…..but ususally they haven't need to even resort to that.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/slavery_...