Won't the common retort be that this was a rule for the Israelites and that Jesus was sent for the rest of humanity? Which begs the question of "if God so loved the world" why did he start out farting around with just a few of his creation? Christians can always pull that switcheroo where they turn on and off parts of the bible at will, especially the Old Testament.
You might think that Christians are fine with accepting that Jesus isn't the Jewish Messiah; that Jesus wasn't the Messiah prophesied about, but they are not. They really aren't, nor should they be (in my opinion).
When is it valid for the "switcheroo" (as you call it) where Old Testament gets turned off. There are times when I wouldn't argue that point. But I would certainly argue the point when it's talking about 1. Prophesies that the messiah was supposed to have fulfilled; 2. Statutes that are supposed to last forever, etc.
Thanks for the comment!
the atonement of sins is always Jesus' sacrifice, your referance in livitcus doesn't say that is is a animal atonement that will last forever, and what it describes about preists wearing linen and making the atonement for sins, if you look closer, is still what a priest does when consecrating the bread and wine and offering, jesus now in body and blood up in that atonement and christians are meant to attend church once a year.
anyway back to Jesus replacing animal sacrifices, its more a fulfuillment of animal sacrifices. as christ is the fulfillment of the old testament. in a linear way we don't need animal sacrifices in atonement of sins because we are after Christ's coming and he has fulfilled the profecies.
But also in hindsight animal sacrifices are only valid as atonement and did bring the people right and clean before God, its because Christ had not yet come but the people were given a way to join in the offering christ made on the cross through animal sacrifice. But if christ never came then they would very much have still been in thier since and not clean before God.
If you were to read the lyrics of a song (we'll say that has a story) even if that story isn't true the song can tell you truths about life and the word arround us.
so there are paradox's and parts of the bible to be interpreted in non historical ways, and occasionly not litteral ways, but if you have the brain to think logicly, and to critical analysis and research the faith you come to see it isn't so crazy or impossible to believe. Its out of this world in some ways, but not impossible.
God chose to use humanity to write the bible as one way he has comunicated with us, If he lay down proof to all that he existed it would take away free will/ free choice. it would not encourage us to unite and relate with one another.... ... theres more reasons but i dont have forever. also as I said that is 1 way that god has chosen to communicate with us. there are many more.
The Bible is errant, and it provides a way to compensate for that fact.
The Bible twice declares that it is errant. The first declaration is Matthew 13:33 which reads, "Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." The second declaration is Luke 13:21 which reads, "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." (Continued)
The Bible thrice mentions a way to compensate for the errancy. The first mention was at Deuteronomy 19:15 which reads, "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established." The second was at Matthew 18:16 which reads, "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." The third mention was at 2 Corinthians 13:1 which reads, "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Their commonality, which is the way to remove the leaven, reads, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
This is the most mislead and the most insincere writting I ever came accross from any heumen being.\
The fool has said in his heart. THERE IS NO GOD.
BUT any one at any time in any generation can repent of his sins against God and he surely can recieve forgiveness of his sins Because of This Completly complete Sacrifice Of the Son Of God on cross.
May God grant you the grace to repent.
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May you all come to know the Truth and Love of Jesus Christ.
May you come to know the truth and love yourself and others without the aid of a sky daddy.
Oops... Christians believe that the animal sacrifices were all a symbol of Jesus, and that the faith in the animal sacrifice was faith in the promise of Jesus. Therefore it was the promise, not the animal slaughter that was to last forever.
I must first point out that it is impossible for an atheist to hate God. One cannot hate something that he believes is nonexistent. So savage hatred of something you believe dose not exist is a waste of energy.
Who has hatred? What are you referring to?
You should also mention that calling Jesus the passover lamb is very strange, as passover sacrificial lambs have nothing to do with the atonement for sin. Silly Christians, mixing up jewish festivals all the time.
Great article. However, to play Jesus' advocate did he not also bring heaven into the mix? Animal sacrifices may atone for one's sins, but this passage seems to say nothing about getting into heaven. I'd be interested to hear your response.
From a purely historical context it seems animal sacrifices evolved as a way to show devotion to a god. This tradition was probably difficult to dispel, despite the obvious logical disconnects regarding a (loving?) god requiring death to prove such devotion. I rather think primitive peoples simply needed this tradition in many religions, and it served to cement ritual and therefore the propagation of faith teaching over time.
Similarly, "Christ dying for our sins" is a pitch I hear so often by Christians, I forget how absurd I first thought it was to a modern logical mind. A death and subsequent resurrection are memorable occurrences-- upon which you can build religions. History needs such a sacrifice, if only to promote its selling point. Framing the sacrifice in a way congruent with primitive people's notion of animal sacrifice helps assimilate its teaching.
Really, I only care about Christ's central message of love-- and their corollaries. Tales of a vengeful god and archaic teachings about how to eat healthfully and treat one another are excellent for keeping a superstitious band of people alive in a hostile and primitive world, but are of little use today. I realize this is a luxury hard won by my ancestors.
I firmly believe I would not have "the good news" if the apostle Paul had not undertaken his mission. Whatever happened to him on that road to Damascus, it was certainly remarkable, and in the context of history, many sacrifices and even horrific deeds can be claimed as necessary to bring me this message. I am humbly grateful for its delivery and saddened by the sacrifices of its messengers.
I find your questions very useful for me as I am a believer in the Truth and in the True Father Creator YHVH. I also seek errors in the Bible. One Truth is that we don't have the true Word of YHVH but only incorrect human translations which cause great confusion. I am not a Christian but a disciple of the true messiah. The Father has hidden His written Word to almost everyone so that humanity could continue to prove Him right, that is, by disobeying Him and producing misery and death. Animal sacrifices were instituted as a teaching aid and other things which we don't understand. At least, we should admit that we don't understand everything but one day we will see, hear, feel and understand. Certainly, we can find many faults with our minimal wisdom with our Creator's ways but His ways are higher than ours which are simply wicked. Besides, He has all rights as owner of all His creation. But the most important thing is the end results that will be achieved after all this human folly has ended. It will be a perfect paradise. Who can stop Him from attaining His goal? What will happen to those who refuse to believe and/or oppose Him?