Bible: Messiah replaces animal sacrifice?
I don't normally argue Biblical errancy for many reasons. First of all, many Christians are fine accepting that the Bible can contain occasional mistakes because they believe some combination of human error and translation issues accounts for how God's message got distorted. Which is an odd thing to admit when you think about it -- God has an essential message for all mankind, which He allowed to get distorted.
Second, the types of Christians who are absolutely sure that the Bible does not have errors of any kind tend to argue down a kind of spiral if you ever pin them to the ground on an issue. At the end of such an argument, I have more than once heard, "Well, either God made a mistake, or we are somehow misinterpreting what He means. And since God doesn't make mistakes, we must be making the error even if we can't figure out what it is."
With all of that being said, I will commence with the one line of Biblical errancy that I've found really causes a real pause in most of Christians.
Here's the setup. If you regularly engage Christians of various types, you will come across a story that they tell you about how Jesus is the Jewish messiah; who is sent to be sacrificed for the sake of the sins of humanity. Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to be what the Jews were expecting. Why not? Well, there was a method for atoning for sin, for one. Animal sacrifice, which eventually fell out of favor.
Of course, for the literalist who thinks that the Messiah was intended to replace this whole notion of animal sacrifice for the atonement of sins, the following passage should be read in full.
Leviticus 16:29-34 (NRSV)
This shall be a statute to you for ever:
In the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall deny yourselves, and shall do no work, neither the citizen nor the alien who resides among you. For on this day atonement shall be made for you, to cleanse you; from all your sins you shall be clean before the Lord. It is a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall deny yourselves; it is a statute for ever.
The priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father’s place shall make atonement, wearing the linen vestments, the holy vestments. He shall make atonement for the sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly.
This shall be an everlasting statute for you, to make atonement for the people of Israel once in the year for all their sins. And Moses did as the Lord had commanded him.
God is quoted three times in a row saying that this system of atonement of sins will last forever. Not only that, but the atonement will cleanse all people of Israel of all sin. Worse still, they are clean before the Lord.
When I confront a person with this passage, I ask:
"What was the point of Jesus' alleged sacrifice?"
What did Jesus' sacrifice achieve if not exactly what was achieved by what was accomplished in the Leviticus verses that already atoned for sin and made the Israelites clean before the Lord?
To be honest, if there was a method for the atonement of sin that left believers clean before the Lord, then, Jesus was not the savior of humankind at all even if the claims of the Bible are true. He's the savior of sacrificial animals that no longer have to be killed. If nothing except the hassle of repeatedly doing animal sacrifices, then Jesus' sacrifice was clearly not out of necessity, but out of convenience.
The book of Leviticus is fairly self-consistent, but perhaps you'll be confronted with a person who points out some other verse from a different book written by a different author of the Old Testament that contradicts this section of Leviticus.
Say, "You've quoted where God contradicts Himself. How is this supposed to be impressive to an atheist?"
What is strange, is that people will point out a contradiction as though this improves their position that the Bible is the infallible Word of God. Of course, you may come across a person who argues that having an everlasting statute that is only good for a few hundred years is not a contradiction.
Say, "If 'it shall be an everlasting statute' means 'a statute that lasts for about a thousand years' -- how long do you expect 'everlasting life' last? And when God contradicts Himself in the Bible, how do you decide which thing He says is correct? Do you just flip a coin?"
One way out of the dilemma is to admit that so as far as the Jews were concerned, the Messiah that they were anxiously waiting for was completely unnecessary and redundant at best. The Messiah was a savior of convenience, not of necessity. Jesus is not really the savior of mankind, but the savior of goats and sheep. I haven't found a Christian that is comfortable with this way out.
While I'm on the topic of Biblical errancy, I should mention two websites among many that I have found to be well informed.
There is site Errancy.org that I think approaches Biblical errancy in a useful way. It categorizes errors based on the severity problem. Also, I should give a shout out to the Skeptics Annotated Bible which has the entire Bible, Koran, and the Book of Mormon online and annotated and cross-linked.
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This is a very good article and points out some good points however i personally disagree on one thing. Jesus was not just the savior of animals but also of gentiles. they were not jewish and were not on the same level and could not be clean unless they lived in a jewish community and someone else sacrificed for them. Jesus changed it to where everyone now is on an even playing field so it wasn't just the animals. he was strictly a convenience for the jews though as you point out they already had a working system in place and did not need him. This is just based of my personal understanding though i am by no means an expert on the subject and there could easily be other stuff im un aware of in regardless to the thing with non jews
Animal Sacrifice could do nothing to deliver conscience from a dread of the wrath of God. Animal Sacrifices the purpose was not only to create communion between God and man, rather, The "Sacrifice" represented the principle that without the shedding of BLOOD, there is NO forgiveness of SINS.
I haven't discussed this topic with a Christian yet, but I could imagine one arguing against it as saying that Jesus' purpose wasn't to just be sacrificed but to defeat death so that we all may have everlasting life. By OT law sure we could be cleansed of sin, but Jesus' true purpose was to not only cleanse us but to also give us everlasting life. Now the problem with that is why couldn't an omnipotent god give us everlasting life by say snapping his fingers instead of going through all the trouble of impregnating a virgin, living as a man for 33 years, being sold out by a close friend, tortured, crucified then waiting for 3 days before coming back to life so that we all may live forever. Seems a bit overly dramatic to me. But then I guess that's why they say "God works in mysterious ways".
If he had not done this, we could always respond, "It is easy for you, God, to say how to deal with our lives but you haven't been in our "shoes". By Jesus coming to Earth, He has been in our "shoes" and intercedes for us to His Heavenly Father. He also couldn't just snap his fingers to carry his plans of us having everlasting life if we would not consent to it. The only way that I can truly love someone is to allow them the freedom to make the choice to return my love and to want to be a part of my life. I can't force it! Even God takes on the humility of being a "gentlemen" to only go where he is requested. That is until Jesus returns again. Then everyone will have to bow down to Him and then will serve either in Heaven with Him or Hell with Satan eternally.
Jesus came to warn us about Hell
john 3:16
matt 7:21-23
mark 3:29 , 9:43,45
john 5:29
read the whole chapter verser of matt,john,mark,luke
HUMANITY WILL ALWAYS TRY TO MIS UNDERDSTAND AND GET CONFUSE
SAVE YOUR SPIRIT GOD NEVER DID MISTAKES
ANGEL AND MANKIND DID WE SIN , WE CANT JUGDE WE WILL B JUGDE
HELL IS PREPARE FOR SATAN AND HIS ANGEL
.................. THERE WILL ALSO BE A PLACE FOR MANKIND WHO TRY TO ACT SMART AND JUGDE SCRIPTURE AND JESUS..
JESUS IS THE SAVIOR OF THIS WORLD THE SAVIOR OF OUR SPIRIT OUR FLESH IS NOTHING
DO NOT TRY TO LET SATAN ENTER IN UR SOUL
OUR SOUL IS COMPOSE OF HEART TO FEEL , MIND TO THINK AND WILL TO DECIDE..
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I am a believer in God, Jesus Christ as His Son and Savior of the entire human race by his sacrifice and resurrection and the complete inerrancy of the Bible. It is imperative not to take a portion from the Bible and establish a belief, one way or another, without taking the Bible in its entire message and establishing what you choose to believe. If you have not yet read the Bible in its entirety, with respect to your intellect, you are making foolish arguments based on small facts rather than whole truths.
The High Priest was to make a one time a year sacrifice of atonement for only the Isrealites for only that year for only their sins committed that year. Not a very complete sacrifice. I would encourage you to read in its entirety the book of Hebrews found in the New Testament. But for this single situation of animal sacrifice versus Jesus' sacrifice, please pay careful attention as you read chapters 9 and 10. What the animal sacrifice did was temporary but Jesus' sacrifice was permanent.
Everyone needs forgiveness of sins, even today. So my one question to yourself and your readers of all beliefs, how are your sins forgiven?
I think the term that you don't quite understand is "everlasting" as ongoing annual sacrifice for the atonement of sins. Have you ever had someone said a meeting lasted forever? Did it really? This sacrifice was a fail safe atonement for the cleansing of sins that would annually be carried out as a "price to be paid" for missing the mark of what God, our creator, intended for each of us. Jesus became our Saviour because he became this atonement in place of this religious sacrament and therefore "Saved" all creation (human and animal alike) from having to continuously carry this out. The key to this new-found grace is that we too must accept Him as our Sacrifice and Saviour (Not just know that He exists!).
yes....I haven't discussed this topic with a Christian yet, but I could imagine one arguing against it as saying that Jesus' purpose wasn't to just be sacrificed but to defeat death so that we all may have everlasting life. By OT law sure we could be cleansed of sin, but Jesus' true purpose was to not only cleanse us but to also give us everlasting life. Now the problem with that is why couldn't an omnipotent god give us everlasting life by say snapping his fingers instead of going through all the trouble of impregnating a virgin, living as a man for 33 years, being sold out by a close friend, tortured, crucified then waiting for 3 days before coming back to life so that we all may live forever. Seems a bit overly dramatic to me. But then I guess that's why they say "God works in mysterious ways".
He also couldn't just snap his fingers to carry his plans of us having everlasting life if we would not consent to it. The only way that I can truly love someone is to allow them the freedom to make the choice to return my love and to want to be a part of my life. I can't force it! Even God takes on the humility of being a "gentlemen" to only go where he is requested.
There are groups of Christians, myself included, who see the Bible to mean what it says and when God established the Day of Atonement as you mention in your blog, that he meant it. Though he also established a law that the Levitical preist were the people to be making the sacrifice on the alter and only on the alter given by God, which was destroyed around 70 AD, (this is found in Lev) when animal sacrifice stopped. Israel, the people of the God of Abraham, brought their sacrifice, but the sons of Aaron (levitical priests) were the ones to perform the sacrifice. This is because after Moses' 40 year journey with the Israelites, they proved their constant disobedience and disregard for Gods law, so one was set up for sacrifice to give the main responsiblity to a trusted preisthood. So today, I still observe the day of Atonement and I do fast that day and spend the whole day away from work and in prayer and studying of Gods word, but I don't sacrifice animals b/c there is no alter, no temple and no levite preist. I just wanted to point out that modern day Christianity really is very uninformed of what they believe. I was one of them, and I used to believe everything my mom taught me but then when I started reading the Bible intently I noticed it was inconsistent with our doctrine and our "beleifs". Jerimiah told us that Jesus came to bring the new convenant and give us a pure sacrifice which had to be done. (I won't keep going on that) The new convenant as stated in Jerimiah 31:33 that He came to write the law in our hearts, not to abolish animal sacrifice. Also prophesied in Isaiah, Ezekiel and Jerimiah is God's return where the temple will be rebuild and the Levitical preisthood called back (who are currenlty lost in our land and unknown). History will repeat itself. Then sacrifice will be brought back too, for sacrifices of fellowship and of peace and etc. Sacrifice wasn't all done for atonement only. Sacrifce used to be practiced in almost all cultures, some pagans sacrificed their own children. Now it's just weird to our society. The Bible really can be seen without contradiction. Look more into Hebrew Roots, it is dispised mostly by modern Christians but b/c it doesn't completely agree with them. Jesus is still the savior and Messiah and he has always given his grace to us. Grace has always existed and salvation is not given by our works but by the grace of God. Our works are our fruits of His spirit that prove he is master of our lives. THey are our love shown to Him through obedience. We as Christians have a covenant with God that we provide our obedience to his law and He provides his salvation. We need grace b/c we can't do this perfectly. I might have done a bad job at explaining things. There is so much to learn and know and if we were raised in a way of learning from infancy of His ways as God asked us to raise our children, we would all be well informed by our childhood. Check out http://www.testeverything.net under Our Teachings there are tons of videos that explain this view. There are tons of people out there who believe this way too. It is in an application that is consistant with all of God's teachings OT and New testament. Just wanted to point out this view.
Yah, this pretty much hits the nail on the spot. The issue is, and always will be, that Christianity is an evolving religion that reflects the people of its time. This may sound great and dandy, but it puts a burden on believers to rationalize or ignore contradictions in its current manifestation with those of its past.
Of course, they can't and never will, nor does any other religion. If you look at the old Greek and Roman gods, they at least had a mechanism for dealing with this: new gods just overthrew and replaced the old ones.
If Jesus had just taken his father and tossed him in some distant prison and taken over, none of this would be an issue.
There is nothing evolving in reading properly and understanding the sacrificial system. Both Ryan Steed and hansherke tried to explain why the sacrifice of animals was not complete...it was also just for the sins that was confessed. Read and understand the whole ritual and you will understand why.
One more thing: The original word translated to "for ever" is `owlam (o-lawm'), Strongs 05956, which when translated can be described with any or all of the following words according to Strong's: long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
(of past)
- ancient time, long time
(of future)
- for ever, always, continuous existence, perpetual, everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity
What happens if we translate it as "This shall be a statute to you INDEFINITE"... or even "This shall be a statute to you for a long time"
It is not easy to translate and it is done to the closest related word or concept...but that's why we still have access to the original if we misunderstood the intentions of the translators who tried to reflect as close as possible the intent of the hebrew or greek word.
@jambog82 - He did snap his fingers and gave us everlasting life...remember Eden? But Lo and behold, WE, HUMANS, messed it up. =.=
Jesus was a complicated man..That's like telling God "you made a mistake by creating man" Your eyes are so closed you think Jesus did not exist then you should look around you..People think Jesus was perfected as he had to figure himself out. The spirit leads to solve problems in the time period..Jesus has known thtimeat if he came off as perfect who would relate to him or not be tempted to attack or harm him..He was crucified and asked God "Why"...so this means that even Jesus had questions yet he had an extraordinary gift that people did not have and he was trying to show them the way he knew at that time. He had to grow and learn..it never said he was born and just knew everything..he knew of things from the creator and of heaven that was unseen to humans at the period..as things changed and humans became more aware a new test (ament) was created..how are you tasking?