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		<title>By: Jorg</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, wouldn&#039;t that be nice? But, of course, the problem is not with what individual people choose to believe (no matter how fascinating and delusionary I may consider it), but with those who try to force me to believe it or at least follow their laws. I am glad you feel that the rules of either OT or NT do not apply to me, but many of your co-religionists are not so accommodating. 
 
Meanwhile, of course, religions are fascinating in the insights they provide into human psychology and are well worth studying for that reason alone. I am sure you are familiar with the term &quot;intellectual curiosity&quot;. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1449&#039;,&#039;Jorg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1449&#039;,&#039;Jorg&#039;,&#039;Ha ha, wouldn&#039;t that be nice? But, of course, the problem is not with what individual people choose to believe (no matter how fascinating and delusionary I may consider it), but with those who try to force me to believe it or at least follow their laws. I am glad you feel that the rules of either OT or NT do not apply to me, but many of your co-religionists are not so accommodating. \n \nMeanwhile, of course, religions are fascinating in the insights they provide into human psychology and are well worth studying for that reason alone. I am sure you are familiar with the term &quot;intellectual curiosity&quot;. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, wouldn&#039;t that be nice? But, of course, the problem is not with what individual people choose to believe (no matter how fascinating and delusionary I may consider it), but with those who try to force me to believe it or at least follow their laws. I am glad you feel that the rules of either OT or NT do not apply to me, but many of your co-religionists are not so accommodating. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, of course, religions are fascinating in the insights they provide into human psychology and are well worth studying for that reason alone. I am sure you are familiar with the term &quot;intellectual curiosity&quot;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1449','Jorg'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1449','Jorg','Ha ha, wouldn&amp;#039;t that be nice? But, of course, the problem is not with what individual people choose to believe (no matter how fascinating and delusionary I may consider it), but with those who try to force me to believe it or at least follow their laws. I am glad you feel that the rules of either OT or NT do not apply to me, but many of your co-religionists are not so accommodating. \n \nMeanwhile, of course, religions are fascinating in the insights they provide into human psychology and are well worth studying for that reason alone. I am sure you are familiar with the term &amp;quot;intellectual curiosity&amp;quot;. '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Testament=God&#039;s regulations for HEBREWS.  If I ain&#039;t HEBREW, the regulations ain&#039;t for me.  (I&#039;m not a TEXAN, so I don&#039;t pay taxes to the state of TEXAS.) 
 
New Testament=God&#039;s regulations for CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t CHRISTIAN, the regulations ain&#039;t for me. 
 
They only people who have to figure out the Old/New Testament issue are HEBREWS that are also CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t his type of person, why would I waste my time trying to figure it out?   
 
You obviously have more time to waste than I do.  But why would do you care so much?  Why let this issue upset you enough that you&#039;ve read all the regulations in the Old Testament and all the ones in the New Testament so they could be compared? Instead of wasting all that time on something you dislike, you could have been doing something fun: enjoying this great life that we all have.  The time we have is too short to spend doing useless things.   
 
If you believe religion is useless, stop wasting your time talking/writing about it; find useful/fun things to do that fill your life with joy.  Ride a jetski or learn to crochet or fly a Cessna or ask the local library if they need people for a project (libraries are always doing useful long-term projects): you would *enjoy* one of these things more than you enjoy studying religion, so go do something you enjoy. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1448&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Ward&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1448&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Ward&#039;,&#039;Old Testament=God&#039;s regulations for HEBREWS.  If I ain&#039;t HEBREW, the regulations ain&#039;t for me.  (I&#039;m not a TEXAN, so I don&#039;t pay taxes to the state of TEXAS.) \n \nNew Testament=God&#039;s regulations for CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t CHRISTIAN, the regulations ain&#039;t for me. \n \nThey only people who have to figure out the Old\/New Testament issue are HEBREWS that are also CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t his type of person, why would I waste my time trying to figure it out?   \n \nYou obviously have more time to waste than I do.  But why would do you care so much?  Why let this issue upset you enough that you&#039;ve read all the regulations in the Old Testament and all the ones in the New Testament so they could be compared? Instead of wasting all that time on something you dislike, you could have been doing something fun: enjoying this great life that we all have.  The time we have is too short to spend doing useless things.   \n \nIf you believe religion is useless, stop wasting your time talking\/writing about it; find useful\/fun things to do that fill your life with joy.  Ride a jetski or learn to crochet or fly a Cessna or ask the local library if they need people for a project (libraries are always doing useful long-term projects): you would *enjoy* one of these things more than you enjoy studying religion, so go do something you enjoy. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Testament=God&#039;s regulations for HEBREWS.  If I ain&#039;t HEBREW, the regulations ain&#039;t for me.  (I&#039;m not a TEXAN, so I don&#039;t pay taxes to the state of TEXAS.) </p>
<p>New Testament=God&#039;s regulations for CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t CHRISTIAN, the regulations ain&#039;t for me. </p>
<p>They only people who have to figure out the Old/New Testament issue are HEBREWS that are also CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&#039;t his type of person, why would I waste my time trying to figure it out?   </p>
<p>You obviously have more time to waste than I do.  But why would do you care so much?  Why let this issue upset you enough that you&#039;ve read all the regulations in the Old Testament and all the ones in the New Testament so they could be compared? Instead of wasting all that time on something you dislike, you could have been doing something fun: enjoying this great life that we all have.  The time we have is too short to spend doing useless things.   </p>
<p>If you believe religion is useless, stop wasting your time talking/writing about it; find useful/fun things to do that fill your life with joy.  Ride a jetski or learn to crochet or fly a Cessna or ask the local library if they need people for a project (libraries are always doing useful long-term projects): you would *enjoy* one of these things more than you enjoy studying religion, so go do something you enjoy.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1448','Mrs. Ward'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1448','Mrs. Ward','Old Testament=God&amp;#039;s regulations for HEBREWS.  If I ain&amp;#039;t HEBREW, the regulations ain&amp;#039;t for me.  (I&amp;#039;m not a TEXAN, so I don&amp;#039;t pay taxes to the state of TEXAS.) \n \nNew Testament=God&amp;#039;s regulations for CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&amp;#039;t CHRISTIAN, the regulations ain&amp;#039;t for me. \n \nThey only people who have to figure out the Old\/New Testament issue are HEBREWS that are also CHRISTIANS.  If I ain&amp;#039;t his type of person, why would I waste my time trying to figure it out?   \n \nYou obviously have more time to waste than I do.  But why would do you care so much?  Why let this issue upset you enough that you&amp;#039;ve read all the regulations in the Old Testament and all the ones in the New Testament so they could be compared? Instead of wasting all that time on something you dislike, you could have been doing something fun: enjoying this great life that we all have.  The time we have is too short to spend doing useless things.   \n \nIf you believe religion is useless, stop wasting your time talking\/writing about it; find useful\/fun things to do that fill your life with joy.  Ride a jetski or learn to crochet or fly a Cessna or ask the local library if they need people for a project (libraries are always doing useful long-term projects): you would *enjoy* one of these things more than you enjoy studying religion, so go do something you enjoy. '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God/s often have long been claimed as,those that are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

Yet we see many times in faith books written about them that this is often false and not very true.

We see that the so called absolute morals are actually often much more like relative morals relative to religion and time.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1444&#039;,&#039;Steve&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1444&#039;,&#039;Steve&#039;,&#039;God\/s often have long been claimed as,those that are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.\r\n\r\nYet we see many times in faith books written about them that this is often false and not very true.\r\n\r\nWe see that the so called absolute morals are actually often much more like relative morals relative to religion and time.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God/s often have long been claimed as,those that are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.</p>
<p>Yet we see many times in faith books written about them that this is often false and not very true.</p>
<p>We see that the so called absolute morals are actually often much more like relative morals relative to religion and time.
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		<title>By: oliver</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mrs. Ward &amp; Converse Atheist, 
 
I think James Tracy is right.  
 
God can change the rules whenever he wants to - and guess what? He HAS. 
 
Old Testament: &quot;an eye for an eye&quot; 
New Testament: &quot;turn the other cheek&quot; 
 
Isn&#039;t this evidence that God&#039;s &#039;moral law&#039; is not absolute (i.e. immutable)? Between Old and New testaments, there is a near-180 degree turn. Christians typically call this change a shift from the &#039;old covenant&#039; to the &#039;new covenant&#039;. 
 
So which is it? It can&#039;t be both. Do we exact revenge, or turn the other cheek? Or are we to exact revenge WHILE turning the other cheek? How does this work, exactly?  
 
Under the &#039;Old&#039; covenant we were supposed to stone to death adulterers, homosexuals, witches, disobedient children, people collecting sticks on the Sabbath..etc. These were God&#039;s explicit orders back then. Now, according to God, it is considered to be explicitly wrong to stone people to death on account of these actions, as per the &#039;new&#039; covenant. Apparently nowadays God doesn&#039;t mind people working on the Sabbath either. How come he CHANGED THE RULES? 
 
All this variance... yet we are being asked to believe that this God&#039;s rules are immutable or unchanging? Get real.  &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1432&#039;,&#039;oliver&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1432&#039;,&#039;oliver&#039;,&#039;@ Mrs. Ward &amp; Converse Atheist, \n \nI think James Tracy is right.  \n \nGod can change the rules whenever he wants to - and guess what? He HAS. \n \nOld Testament: &quot;an eye for an eye&quot; \nNew Testament: &quot;turn the other cheek&quot; \n \nIsn&#039;t this evidence that God&#039;s &#039;moral law&#039; is not absolute (i.e. immutable)? Between Old and New testaments, there is a near-180 degree turn. Christians typically call this change a shift from the &#039;old covenant&#039; to the &#039;new covenant&#039;. \n \nSo which is it? It can&#039;t be both. Do we exact revenge, or turn the other cheek? Or are we to exact revenge WHILE turning the other cheek? How does this work, exactly?  \n \nUnder the &#039;Old&#039; covenant we were supposed to stone to death adulterers, homosexuals, witches, disobedient children, people collecting sticks on the Sabbath..etc. These were God&#039;s explicit orders back then. Now, according to God, it is considered to be explicitly wrong to stone people to death on account of these actions, as per the &#039;new&#039; covenant. Apparently nowadays God doesn&#039;t mind people working on the Sabbath either. How come he CHANGED THE RULES? \n \nAll this variance... yet we are being asked to believe that this God&#039;s rules are immutable or unchanging? Get real.  &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mrs. Ward &amp; Converse Atheist, </p>
<p>I think James Tracy is right.  </p>
<p>God can change the rules whenever he wants to - and guess what? He HAS. </p>
<p>Old Testament: &quot;an eye for an eye&quot;<br />
New Testament: &quot;turn the other cheek&quot; </p>
<p>Isn&#039;t this evidence that God&#039;s &#039;moral law&#039; is not absolute (i.e. immutable)? Between Old and New testaments, there is a near-180 degree turn. Christians typically call this change a shift from the &#039;old covenant&#039; to the &#039;new covenant&#039;. </p>
<p>So which is it? It can&#039;t be both. Do we exact revenge, or turn the other cheek? Or are we to exact revenge WHILE turning the other cheek? How does this work, exactly?  </p>
<p>Under the &#039;Old&#039; covenant we were supposed to stone to death adulterers, homosexuals, witches, disobedient children, people collecting sticks on the Sabbath..etc. These were God&#039;s explicit orders back then. Now, according to God, it is considered to be explicitly wrong to stone people to death on account of these actions, as per the &#039;new&#039; covenant. Apparently nowadays God doesn&#039;t mind people working on the Sabbath either. How come he CHANGED THE RULES? </p>
<p>All this variance... yet we are being asked to believe that this God&#039;s rules are immutable or unchanging? Get real.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1432','oliver'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1432','oliver','@ Mrs. Ward &amp;amp; Converse Atheist, \n \nI think James Tracy is right.  \n \nGod can change the rules whenever he wants to - and guess what? He HAS. \n \nOld Testament: &amp;quot;an eye for an eye&amp;quot; \nNew Testament: &amp;quot;turn the other cheek&amp;quot; \n \nIsn&amp;#039;t this evidence that God&amp;#039;s &amp;#039;moral law&amp;#039; is not absolute (i.e. immutable)? Between Old and New testaments, there is a near-180 degree turn. Christians typically call this change a shift from the &amp;#039;old covenant&amp;#039; to the &amp;#039;new covenant&amp;#039;. \n \nSo which is it? It can&amp;#039;t be both. Do we exact revenge, or turn the other cheek? Or are we to exact revenge WHILE turning the other cheek? How does this work, exactly?  \n \nUnder the &amp;#039;Old&amp;#039; covenant we were supposed to stone to death adulterers, homosexuals, witches, disobedient children, people collecting sticks on the Sabbath..etc. These were God&amp;#039;s explicit orders back then. Now, according to God, it is considered to be explicitly wrong to stone people to death on account of these actions, as per the &amp;#039;new&amp;#039; covenant. Apparently nowadays God doesn&amp;#039;t mind people working on the Sabbath either. How come he CHANGED THE RULES? \n \nAll this variance... yet we are being asked to believe that this God&amp;#039;s rules are immutable or unchanging? Get real.  '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jorg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we can glean why the laws of gravity are the way they are (ie, as a consequence of specific broken symmetries), so they are not arbitrary (which does not mean they won&#039;t change tomorrow, just makes it much less likely). An appeal to God as a source of morality, however, is an appeal to a perfectly arbitray agent who can change her mind about things at any moment. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1423&#039;,&#039;Jorg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1423&#039;,&#039;Jorg&#039;,&#039;But we can glean why the laws of gravity are the way they are (ie, as a consequence of specific broken symmetries), so they are not arbitrary (which does not mean they won&#039;t change tomorrow, just makes it much less likely). An appeal to God as a source of morality, however, is an appeal to a perfectly arbitray agent who can change her mind about things at any moment. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we can glean why the laws of gravity are the way they are (ie, as a consequence of specific broken symmetries), so they are not arbitrary (which does not mean they won&#039;t change tomorrow, just makes it much less likely). An appeal to God as a source of morality, however, is an appeal to a perfectly arbitray agent who can change her mind about things at any moment.
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		<title>By: ConverseAtheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConverseAtheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah I see, you don&#039;t agree with the questions and answers in the entry. 
 
To the questions:  
1. Does this mean that God could exactly flip what was evil and what was good at whim, any time He wanted, as many times as He wanted, throughout the course of all time? 
and 
2. Could God flip what was good and what was evil without telling us humans? 
 
You must be answering &quot;no, God cannot do that.&quot;  
 
My apologies, I thought you were in the camp that God could do anything He wanted with regards to defining morality.  
 
By the way, Could gravity change without us knowing about it? Not in any substantial way. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1422&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1422&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;,&#039;Ah I see, you don&#039;t agree with the questions and answers in the entry. \n \nTo the questions:  \n1. Does this mean that God could exactly flip what was evil and what was good at whim, any time He wanted, as many times as He wanted, throughout the course of all time? \nand \n2. Could God flip what was good and what was evil without telling us humans? \n \nYou must be answering &quot;no, God cannot do that.&quot;  \n \nMy apologies, I thought you were in the camp that God could do anything He wanted with regards to defining morality.  \n \nBy the way, Could gravity change without us knowing about it? Not in any substantial way. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah I see, you don&#039;t agree with the questions and answers in the entry. </p>
<p>To the questions:<br />
1. Does this mean that God could exactly flip what was evil and what was good at whim, any time He wanted, as many times as He wanted, throughout the course of all time?<br />
and<br />
2. Could God flip what was good and what was evil without telling us humans? </p>
<p>You must be answering &quot;no, God cannot do that.&quot;  </p>
<p>My apologies, I thought you were in the camp that God could do anything He wanted with regards to defining morality.  </p>
<p>By the way, Could gravity change without us knowing about it? Not in any substantial way.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1422','ConverseAtheist'); return false;">Reply</a>  | <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1422','ConverseAtheist','Ah I see, you don&amp;#039;t agree with the questions and answers in the entry. \n \nTo the questions:  \n1. Does this mean that God could exactly flip what was evil and what was good at whim, any time He wanted, as many times as He wanted, throughout the course of all time? \nand \n2. Could God flip what was good and what was evil without telling us humans? \n \nYou must be answering &amp;quot;no, God cannot do that.&amp;quot;  \n \nMy apologies, I thought you were in the camp that God could do anything He wanted with regards to defining morality.  \n \nBy the way, Could gravity change without us knowing about it? Not in any substantial way. '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If god hasn&#039;t changed the rules in the past 1000+ years, why do you assume that he is potentially unstable?  The rules of gravity haven&#039;t changed since the calculations were done a 100+ years ago, and I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t assume that gravity is potentially unstable and not worth following. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1421&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Ward&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1421&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Ward&#039;,&#039;If god hasn&#039;t changed the rules in the past 1000+ years, why do you assume that he is potentially unstable?  The rules of gravity haven&#039;t changed since the calculations were done a 100+ years ago, and I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t assume that gravity is potentially unstable and not worth following. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If god hasn&#039;t changed the rules in the past 1000+ years, why do you assume that he is potentially unstable?  The rules of gravity haven&#039;t changed since the calculations were done a 100+ years ago, and I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t assume that gravity is potentially unstable and not worth following.
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		<title>By: ConverseAtheist</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>ConverseAtheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not argue that God is arbitrary because he changes the rules.  
 
I argue that the conception of evil that relies only on the whim of a creature who could reverse what is good and evil whenever he wants -- is arbitrary and potentially unstable. Especially if that creature has not supra-morality that he must conform to. Beyond that, figuring out what is good and evil in such a conception is impossible. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1420&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1420&#039;,&#039;ConverseAtheist&#039;,&#039;I did not argue that God is arbitrary because he changes the rules.  \n \nI argue that the conception of evil that relies only on the whim of a creature who could reverse what is good and evil whenever he wants -- is arbitrary and potentially unstable. Especially if that creature has not supra-morality that he must conform to. Beyond that, figuring out what is good and evil in such a conception is impossible. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not argue that God is arbitrary because he changes the rules.  </p>
<p>I argue that the conception of evil that relies only on the whim of a creature who could reverse what is good and evil whenever he wants -- is arbitrary and potentially unstable. Especially if that creature has not supra-morality that he must conform to. Beyond that, figuring out what is good and evil in such a conception is impossible.
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		<title>By: James Tracy</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God COULD change the rules whenever He wants to, therefore, you can never be sure that any specific act at any given point in the space-time continuum is definitely evil unless you have a direct hotline to God. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1417&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1417&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;,&#039;God COULD change the rules whenever He wants to, therefore, you can never be sure that any specific act at any given point in the space-time continuum is definitely evil unless you have a direct hotline to God. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God COULD change the rules whenever He wants to, therefore, you can never be sure that any specific act at any given point in the space-time continuum is definitely evil unless you have a direct hotline to God.
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		<title>By: James Tracy</title>
		<link>http://conversationalatheist.com/2009/10/vox-day-vs-common-sense-atheism-a-few-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False dichotomy. You forgot about the person who asks such questions. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1418&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  &#124; &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1418&#039;,&#039;James Tracy&#039;,&#039;False dichotomy. You forgot about the person who asks such questions. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False dichotomy. You forgot about the person who asks such questions.
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